Hi i have a crane and sons, liverpool and london upright bla...
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Hi i have a crane and sons, liverpool and london upright black piano. Serial number. c&s 136084. Can anyone tell me its value very roughly? it only needs tunning and is in good condition all round. Thank you. Claire [Image upload failed]
1900 backwards.. these are typical old action/not tunable to standard pitch and pin blocks are worn out...just a plinker. nothing special unless you have the candle sconces on each side of the music desk. if you have the brass sconces...then you might have some $$ there. The piano? well....you will find out more than likely that you have a hole in the ground. Sorry to be so down on old estate pianos as they call them...but any old upright will beat them hands down in pitch, tuning, action, dampers, string scale. You could run across one that has been locked up in a crate for its whole life...but why bother...try to sell it to some one like yourself...because you know why you bought it...should be easy.
WHEN O WHEN WILL PEOPLE GET IT THAT THE OLD ENGLISH UPRIGHTS ARE JUNK... FIT FOR (forgot,,,, for what!)...O yes, now I remember...fit for nothing!...unless you have the candle brass sconces...THEN you take the sconces and dump the piano.
Tell everyone that these pianos have no value...(sconces do) have no musical value, no antique value, no historic value. You put money and time in and it all leaks out. Better to buy sconces (that just happen to have an old piano attached)...then you might make some money.
I had an Asst. Dist. Atty one time that just HAD to have one of these
restored/rebuilt? So we "restored" it back to its horrible original condition. We told him up front but that wouldn't do...no just wouldn't do...just had to spend $5000 on restoration back to bad. We restored a really bad piano back to just a bad piano.
Called me...wanted me to come and make adjustments, tune etc. Told him that this is the reason we asked him to sign a disclaimer regarding
any work done. No warranty or ANYTHING. He was upset but he also said, "well, you told me and i guess you were right....you would make a good lawyer." I told him thanks, and all my family were lawyers and I learned from the ground up about disclaimers.
Then there is the story about antique dealers trying to sell these piano as a "Piano"...a musical instrument. People would buy them and find out that they were not suitable for students use or any other use other than plinking...hopefully with your favorite pistol. Well, some stalwart parent called me and ask what could she do about it. I told her to call the antique dealer and tell them to give her money back. If they say no, them tell them that you will sue for triple damages plus moves and my service call.
Well, that did it. She got her money back and the antique piano business dropped of like it was an obama economy. Not only that but the word spread and other buyers started asking for their money back.
Now antique dealers sell these pianos, if at all, as an "Antique object" and make no comments as to its function or use. That gets them off the hook in trying to sell pianos.
And, o yes, the value is roughly 0...unless you have sconces...then it is worth about $500 or so...as a sconce!
"Things You Didn't Know" - excerpts from the mis-adventures of C.Anthony, In Piano Land.
Nothing personal..I swear upon the Bible, it is the truth, just the truth,...and nothing but the truth so help me God.