the more pianist-demanding Brahms piano concerto?

I was talking about this with the guy at the shop. Which is the more pianist-demanding Brahms piano concerto? Which is more orchestral and less

Both concerti ask for more than 45 minutes of stage time; both contain long stretches where the pianist will direly wish to join in on the action, but cannot; both are awkward and difficult for the pianist, and both contain beautiful orchestral writing. I'd say that the First Concerto leaves the color more to the orchestra, and the Second Concerto leaves it more to the pianist; otherwise it's a tossup.

Both Brahms piano concerti are very demanding, however the demands are quite different. This is not a uni-dimensional space allowing total orders.

This question is phrase in a way that seems to imply that 'more orchestra' comes at the expense of 'pianist-demanding' or viceversa. This is not necessarily the case. The 2nd concerto has certainly richer orchestral writing, but it would be absurd to claim the piano part is any less demanding than that of the 1st concerto.

Sure, but one could be more demanding to the other.

Isn't, as you say 'richer orchestra writing', the same as less piano playing, which in effect means less-demanding? I am assuming that if the pianist does nothing, it has zero demands. I was hoping it didn't have to boil down to inane note ratios.

It's not a zero-sum game. Both the orchestra and piano can get richer writing, without making the other less-demanding.

And how does one compare apples to oranges? Not to forget that 'demanding' is very relative to the individual's technique. Some pianists find Brahms 1 easier to play than Brahms 2nd, while other find the opposite to be the case. From my perspective, I think Brahms 2 is more difficult than Brahms 1

Some pianists find

Exactly. So which do you find easier to play? If you don't, which do you think is easier to play?

Hey, you don't seem to read very well, do you?

I stated in my previous post that I find the 2nd more difficult to play than the 1st.

Do you work for the department of redundancy department you do work for?

Don't know. I much prefer the tunes of the 2nd, with recordings by Kovacevich (Eloquence), and Rubinstein (RCA Rubinstein Collection).

Apples have a smoother skin, to begin with.

If you choose the wonderful four-hand arrangement of the 1st as a reference, you can avoid this dubious question altogether.